America and Christianity’s only hope

From the official Twitter feed of the 2016 Republican frontrunner ladies and gentlemen.

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President Ragan?

I could comment on this at length but I won’t, there’s no point.

So…

Me a few months ago.

“Donald Trump running for president isn’t such a bad thing. He’s making it interesting, saying things the other 80 candidates won’t, and he’s anti-establishment, which is good. American politics is broken, people are fed up, maybe he can do some good.”

Me last month.

“Donald Trump is like the crazy uncle who shows up at family gatherings even though no one invites him. He was fine for a while but now I’m like ‘OK Uncle Donald, it’s time to go, you’re scaring the kids.'”

Me now.

I’m done. If it comes down to the nightmare choice of Clinton or Trump, I’m seriously considering voting for Hillary or not voting at all.

No Christian in their right mind should either support or defend Trump at this point.

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  1. For what it’s worth, I am at the same place you are James.

    Dawn has it right also.

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  2. Um, Trump will set the button for morality? Really? Wow, I must be living on another planet.

    BTW, if you decide not to vote, you’re allowing him to win by default. Just MHO.

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  3. This is God’s judgement on our country for the way we’ve been going lately. He’s making us pick between Clinton and Trump. -_-
    Well played, God, well played.

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    • As my brother in Christ would say: If God is judging America or any one else, He will have to apologize to Jesus.
      “Jesus forever changed the way God relates to mankind. Sure, there are scriptural examples of God’s catastrophic judgment on sin. But God’s greatest act of judgment was when He placed all of His wrath for our sins upon Jesus. This forever satisfied God’s wrath. Since that time, God hasn’t been judging our sins (2 Cor. 5:19). God’s not angry at us. He’s not even in a bad mood.”

      Jesus was like a lightning rod that drew all the judgment of God unto Himself. He not only bore our sins; He actually became sin (2 Cor. 5:21).

      Thank God for Jesus!

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      • That is a profound misunderstanding of God.

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        • Perhaps you could share your understanding of Him.

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          • It!s called the Bible and it tells me that God is angry with the wicked every day and that continues to pour out his wrath against all unrighteousness.

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        • Dan,

          Ordinary comments from @theancients are very good but this one has me a little confused as well.

          I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt because I know his theology is good. Poor wording perhaps?

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          • Really poor theology. Too much Rick Warren and not enough Bible?

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          • Not Rick Warren, however R.W. does share the sentiment. The quote is from Andrew Womack in a post at http://www.awmi.net/reading/teaching-articles/war_over/. In it, Womack makes this statement ” They were announcing the end of God’s war on sin. Peace now reigns between God and man.”, with reference to the Angelic announcement of Christ’s birth. Womack’s (and others’) conclusion is that Since Christ bore the wrath of God against sin, sin is no longer an issue with God. Perhaps this erroneous belief concerning God and sin is the main reason for so many churches never even talking about sin any more.

            Womack is also quoted in another other comment, which is below, without attribution, from the same Womack article..

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        • “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation…For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” 2 Corinthians 5:19 and 21:

          The word “reconciliation” is talking about making peace. God was no longer holding us accountable. Instead, He imputed our sins to Jesus, making Jesus accountable for our sins. Jesus became what we were so we could become what He was—the righteousness of God.

          Jesus: “Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him. Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [judgment] unto me.” John 12:27-32

          When we say God is judging our sins as individuals or corporately as a nation, we are voiding what Jesus did. That would be “double jeopardy.”

          Some of you may not like this, but it’s true. Sin isn’t a problem with God anymore. It’s the church that has made it a major deal. Neither past, present, nor future sins can separate you from God. The only people who will go to hell are those who have spurned and rejected the greatest sacrifice that has ever been made. In heaven, you won’t answer for your sin; Jesus already has. You will answer for your acceptance or rejection of [what Jesus has done on your behalf].

          Quit being religious!

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          • So now that Christ bore the Father’s wrath for the sins of His people, we just don’t have to worry about God being angry any more, just save ourselves or not with our human decision? The Bible I read tells me that God never changes. It’s called immutability. If he was at any time angry with the wicked every day he is still angry with the wicked every day. See Psalm 7:11 for starters. I don’t care what the chubby West Coast Pastor says about God’s anger.

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          • I forgot to say that my earlier statement about profound mischaracterizations about God still stands solidly on Scripture.

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  4. LOL! I hear you. I waffle back and forth between, “let’s focus on Christ and not Trump,” to “arrggg, let’s just go smack some people upside the head.”

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  5. Trump is so full of it. There I said it.

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  6. FYI, I do not believe this is an actual Trump tweet, this is a tweet someone tweeted at him.

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  7. I’ve followed a similar line of thought throughout this process but cannot in good conscience support Hillary. I am disgusted by Trump, have no idea what to expect from him if he is elected, and don’t trust him. On the other hand, I am equally disgusted by Clinton, but I do know what to expect from her if she is elected, and trust that she will do exactly what she says she will do (which I strongly disagree with). I would consider voting for a third party candidate, but fear that is equivalent to a vote for Clinton. The one issue that gives me the most pause is the vacancy on the supreme court (and potentially more vacancies). I know what type of judge Hillary would nominate. I’m not sure what type of candidate Trump would nominate, but in my opinion that one decision could weigh more heavily than any other on the future of our nation.

    I am praying for a open convention and a peaceful nomination of someone I can support in good conscience. I have often had to hold my nose and choose the lesser of two evils in the past, but have never been this conflicted about it. If these candidates are the best our country has to offer, then God have mercy on us!

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  8. May I just say something in support of what ancient’s is saying? Listen to the words we are saying, “God is punishing us or pouring His wrath upon us,” when in fact we live in a democracy under free will, full of complete morons deliberately ushering this in upon us all……and we want to call it the wrath of God or God’s judgment or something? It is nothing more than the collective mass stupidity of human beings, something we never want to take responsibility for our selves, so we blame God.

    Perhaps God is angry with us, perhaps He is even more furious at our foolishness than I am, but God did not bring this upon us, we are bringing it on ourselves.

    There is something important to be said about praising God for the good things He gives us, for the blessings he pours out on us, and to stop focusing on the alleged vengeance and wrath of God, because that is almost like bearing false witness against the Father Himself, trying to avoid our own accountability.

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