The Poor You Will Always Have With You – A Response Post

This post is in response to Nancy Drew, who wrote a response to the original post: 3 Strange But True Reasons Why God Doesn’t Feed All The Starving Children by Peter Guirguis.

I can understand where Nancy is coming from, as I also kind of felt let down by Peter’s defence.  I think it was the title that made it seem so intriguing and new.  But it really wasn’t anything new, like Nancy pointed out.  Nancy raised some good points in her posts, that if I was an atheist, I would have nodded my head along in agreement.  But like Peter, I do see the bigger picture.

“You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.”

(John 12:8, Matt  26:11).

I think this one liner by Jesus answers this deep question succinctly.  Even though He doesn’t give a reason, it is still an answer.

Many people have wrong expectations of God.  The Jews, for instance, were expectant that when the Christ came, He would deliver them from the rule of the Romans.  But that wasn’t Jesus’ agenda at all.  And though Jesus healed and fed many people, He didn’t heal all the sick or feed all the poor that lived in the world, while He walked on it, or even in Judae.  Jesus came for a higher purpose than to make this world a more cosy place for everyone.  He came to save the world spiritually!  You may not agree with His priorities, but that’s just the way it is.

God already gave us a chance for a perfect world, without sickness, sin, death and poverty!  It was His original plan, to live among men in a state of Heaven on Earth.  However, we all know what happened to that plan.  The enemy succeeded in deceiving Eve and Adam, so that they became corrupt and could not abide in the Garden and live in that perfect world.  God didn’t see Satan’s attack as a defeat, but as a challenge…an opportunity to teach, groom, and lead us to know and love righteousness.

God’s plan and desire to live with us in peace and harmony forever is still in play…  But, He has set a date, a day which no man knows, when He will destroy evil once and for all, and reserve for Himself, those who did His will on the Earth.  Those who believed in Him, and followed His Christ.  Those who loved others, as a reflection of their love for God and His righteousness (Read the parable of the Sheep and the Goats).

Asking why God doesn’t feed all the starving children is equivalent to asking why God doesn’t make everyone believe in Him!  You may disagree, but really, what’s the difference?  If God really wanted to, He could snap His fingers and make the world perfect once again.  He could, with a word, cause all men to fall in love with Him…  But that’s not His way.  That’s not true love, because it deprives us of our choice, and therefore, responsibility and sacrifice.

Every parent knows that their kids will never learn responsibility, compassion, discipline or even patience, if they always do everything for them.  Or if they pad them from the hard knocks of life!  Part of parenting is letting go and letting your children mature into wisdom and understanding by their interactions with the world and experiences.  So, just as a Good Father, God allows us to make mistakes, suffer and go through all sorts of trials.  It is His desire that those who accept His grace through Jesus Christ, will follow in Christ’s example and heal the world (with their loving witness).  He mandated His followers, in addition to preaching the good news, to also help the poor and the oppressed.  That is how people will know that they are truly His followers (John 13:35).

Yes, God has intervened dramatically in the past.  But what is consistent with God is His grace and the liberty He has given man to either do right or do wrong.  God has always allowed time before enacting His judgments.  Men committed all sorts of atrocities for many thousands of years before God decided to send the flood.  Sodom and Gomorrah carried on their abominable acts for years before God decided to consume them with fire.  The Israelites endured centuries in bondage and slavery, before the great deliverance that God brought about through Moses!  There are many more examples of God’s patience and endurance with men.  The one thing you can be sure of with God is He will not override your will – but He will certainly judge you for your sins.

So, what I’m trying to say here is that, there is no complex answer to why God allows evil to coexist with good on Earth.  In His parable of the Wheat and the Tares, Christ answers this question even more clearly…

“The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”

(Matt 13:24-30)

That’s it, in a nutshell!  I cannot do better than my God.  There’s no other smart answer to give.  At least, not one that will satisfy an atheist!  By the way, God won’t consider your claim to atheism as a reasonable defence against your disobedience.  You say you don’t believe in God, that’s ok.  You should know that God doesn’t believe in atheism either (Romans 1:18-25)!  And, you know what, neither do I!  Nobody wants to live in a world without God, any more than a child wants to grow up without parents.  The problem is, you want a god you can control, who fits your idea of niceness and who won’t make you do what you don’t want to do.  Just because we have largely succeeded in stripping parents of their power in the home, doesn’t mean we can strip God of His authority over the Earth!  God is not God if He jumps at yours or my command!

Christians know that the burden is upon us to feed the poor, heal the sick and love our neighbours as ourselves.  A selfish Christian is an oxymoron.  So, don’t use those who claim to be believers but who don’t practice practical love as examples of what Christianity represents.  If you look and observe, and are honest, you will see that most of the people out there helping the poor in foreign lands are Christians, and they do it because they are Christian, not because they are good people.

On a side note, if you are inclined to help the poor and make the world a better place, please support my charity work in Nigeria, by donating to Fair Life Africa Foundation.  Thank you!

Photo credit: http://www.redletterchristians.org

If you like this post, you might like WHERE WAS GOD also by Ufuomaee

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  1. Reblogged this on ufuomaee and commented:

    This is a post I felt inspired to write in response to an atheist, who challenged Peter Guirguis on his answer to the question – why does a good God allow children to starve.

    I hope I have done justice to the topic!

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  2. Every parent knows that their kids will never learn responsibility, compassion, discipline or even patience, if they always do everything for them. Or if they pad them from the hard knocks of life! Part of parenting is letting go and letting your children mature into wisdom and understanding by their interactions with the world and experiences.

    Bull. No parent would let their child starve to death, especially if it wasn’t the child’s fault. I would not let my child die of a preventable disease. I would not let my child get cancer, just to build character. There’s not spoiling your children, and then there’s negligence. God is negligent and absent in the lives of those who suffer starvation. And not all who starve (or are innocent victims in war, etc) are Christians. So it’s not like they’ll go to heaven when they die.

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    • It seems that you looked for a hole and picked at it. I was addressing the fact that God allows the world to function, and even in death and trials, there is hope.

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      • I wasn’t looking for a hole so much, as you mentioned the last thing the pushed me to be an atheist. I’m a more compassionate father than the god of the bible. As Nancy pointed out:

        Who of you if your son ask for bread would give him a stone…

        God fails Jesus’ own test. Billions of people through out history have begged for bread and God provided nothing.

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        • Actually, let’s be clear that Nancy quoted Jesus, as the way you said it, someone might have misunderstood.

          So, you were pushed over the edge to become an atheist… ummm. I don’t really know what else to say. I don’t know the circumstance, but maybe you should read my post, Where Was God?, which I referenced in my article.

          Cheers, Ufuoma.

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        • Would you kill your son for someone else’s sin?

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          • You know what Dan, I’m not God, so I wouldn’t. But also, I think it was a neat trick He played on the Devil! Guess who rose from the dead and is alive and sitting on the right side of God? Jesus!!!!

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          • I meant the quest for PNF who said he was more compassionate than God. And what a ‘trick’ indeed!

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          • Why is killing your own son for someone else’s sin a good thing, first of all? If you murdered someone and the criminal justice system allowed me to take your place and die in your stead (or be jailed), how is that justice? It’s scapegoating.

            Second, why did God need a blood sacrifice in order to forgive our sins? Why not just forgive them? He is providing a “solution” to the problem he created in the first place.

            Okay imagine you stole something, lied a few times, had premarital sex, whatever. Some teenager stuff. Your father decides that the proper punishment for this is to keep you locked in the basement and torture you for the rest of your life unless you thank him and worship him for killing your brother (which he did before you were born and had no idea) instead in which case he will forgive you and not keep you in the basement and torture you.

            Uhhh what? See how that doesn’t work in the real world?

            Finally, how could dying when you know you’re a god and will come back to life be a sacrifice?

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          • Had God not sent his own son to die in our place we would all end up in Hell. That’s why

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          • Lol, it’s almost like you didn’t read past the first line of my comment…

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          • On the contrary, I read your entire comment and chose to answer the initial question. You asked, I answered. And all you can say is I didn’t read it? How odd.

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          • Dear Nancy,

            Thanks for commenting… I was wondering if we would hear from you. I’ve seen your response post too. I painted a picture for you in my post above, but it seemed you tore the picture into separate bits, and then decided to ask me questions, because you didn’t understand the mess you’d made with the different pieces. However, if you’d just kept the picture together, you would understand!

            I don’t know how else to answer you. Like I said, I can’t do better than my God. If you insult Him, I have it coming too…

            Now, I understand your comment above. I think my post – The Power of the Cross – which I also posted on this site will help answer some of those questions.

            Your analogy about God as a human parent who sacrificed his son is funny, but very telling about your lack of understanding of spiritual things. You can’t measure God by human standards or qualities. Yes, I know you know that His ways are not our ways, and you don’t buy it – but that’s all He’s selling! As God, He really has no reason to do things YOUR way, or even in a way that we as humans deem reasonable.

            For instance, why did He make Hosea marry a prostitute, and then compel him to keep taking her back after her many infidelities? Was it for Hosea’s benefit or the prostitutes? It was to illustrate how God loved Isreal, despite their numerous idolatrous offences. Could God have used a different method to communicate this teaching… SURE! But I think He chose that method because He knew the prophet would feel the burden that God has for His people better, and will also grow in his character and ability to love and lead them. So, I reckon that God chose a better way.

            Your last question is the most perplexing of all! I get it, I really do. Is it really sacrifice if He was just playing dead? Ummmm…

            Depends on the laws in place I think. In our legal systems, there are certain conditions that must be met by people seeking to apply for different legal rights. Let’s take a marriage licence for instance. They may not really want to get married and live together forever. But they understand enough of the law to provide the REQUIREMENTS of the law. Afterwards, when they get what they really wanted, they get their divorce and move on. Now, that sounds a little calculating…a bit like cheating… However, I think God did something similar. He had established spiritual laws with the Jews, and the law demands a blood sacrifice to redeem a life. God sent Jesus to meet those REQUIREMENTS, to fulfil the law, and break the devil’s hold on us…

            Did Jesus really suffer? Yes! Did he truly die? Yes! Is He risen? On, a million times Yes!!! I’m smiling, you should be too 🙂

            Have a great day!

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          • Except that your picture doesn’t make sense. I understand that you’re trying to explain your belief but it should stand up to close scrutiny, and it does not. I addressed your post in pretty big chunks, as there were several different topics there, so I don’t think I was nitpicking.

            You don’t know how to answer, but you want what you believe so desperately to be true that you are willing to give in to wishful thinking and say “God MUST have a reason, even though I have no evidence of this.”

            My eternal salvation is supposedly dependent on crumbly theology. If God exists, he knows that he gave me this skeptical brain and knows what it would require for me to believe. I can’t see a god who wants a relationship with his “children” making it so tricky to do so.

            If, as you say, God engages in deceit and trickery, which many Bible stories would attest to, this hardly seems to fit in with an all-benevolent God.

            As for the Hosea story, many of the OT writings are allegories. Is it possible that this is one as well?

            You said “God established spiritual laws with the Jews and the law demands a blood sacrifice to redeem a life.” But God MADE THE LAW so whyyyy would HE demand the blood sacrifice? He made the conditions so that he had to kill himself to save us from himself sending us to hell. What?

            Again, this is not me “wanting God to act in a certain way”. This is pointing out that God does not act in line with the attributes YOU say he has.

            You: God is all-powerful, all-good, all-loving, etc etc
            Me: here’s an example of God not acting in one of those ways
            You: well God can do whatever he wants!

            Oookay then.

            As far as comparing him to humans, you actually compared him to parents who spoil their children in your above post. So how come you get to use the analogy and I don’t?

            God’s behavior should be ABOVE humans. So if it is not moral for a human father to punish and torture one of his sons for the rest of his sons for the rest of his life unless he murders his other son, God doesn’t get a pass either.

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          • It’s not at all tricky. It’s a bit like learning to swim. If you’re fighting it, you’ll always be afraid of drowning. But if you have the ability to exercise faith in aquadynamics (without an academic course on it) – i.e theology – you won’t resist or be afraid. You’ll be swimming in no time! Then you will actually learn a lot aquadynamics without academic study. But if you’ve got your head filled with how many people drown or how many are bitten by sharks, then no amount of academic study will give you to courage to enter the water!

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          • Ufuoma, you are assuming too many things. I was a Christian for most of my life and used to believe the same as you did. I never “fought” theology… In fact, all I wanted to do was learn more and more and defend the faith. But it doesn’t hold up to close scrunity. I did not become an atheist easily… I was dragged kicking and screaming into unbelief by my own brain which could no longer accept the discrepancies.

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          • By the way, the parent-child anology can only go so far… mainly in depicting our relationship to God as our Heavenly Father. He remains our God, our Judge, our King, our Lord… and so much more. You were going overboard in assuming that humans can make just or sound decisions about killing their children.

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          • Right… Like I said, you can use the analogy, but I can’t. Okay. Maybe think about why the analogy makes you uncomfortable instead of dismissing it right off the bat.

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          • It doesn’t make me uncomfortable. There’s only so far you can use animal behaviour and love to show how animals protect their young. If you used it out of context to illustrate human relationships, like marriage, I doubt I’ll be the only one calling you on it!

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  3. “Jesus came for a higher purpose than to make this world a more cosy place for everyone. He came to save the world spiritually!”

    Why not do both? He has unlimited power, right?

    “The enemy succeeded in deceiving Eve and Adam, so that they became corrupt and could not abide in the Garden and live in that perfect world.”

    Do you believe in the literal Adam and Eve?

    “God didn’t see Satan’s attack as a defeat, but as a challenge…an opportunity to teach, groom, and lead us to know and love righteousness.”

    The opportunity to condemn people who weren’t even born yet? Doesn’t that sound a tad bit crazy to you?

    “God already gave us a chance for a perfect world, without sickness, sin, death and poverty!”

    No he didn’t. According to your religion, he gave Adam and Eve that chance. I certainly had no power over their actions. Did you?

    “Asking why God doesn’t feed all the starving children is equivalent to asking why God doesn’t make everyone believe in Him! You may disagree, but really, what’s the difference?”

    There’s a big difference between painfully starving to death and not believing.

    “If God really wanted to, He could snap His fingers and make the world perfect once again.”

    And yet he doesn’t. These words sound like every other religion as well.

    He could! He has the power! He can do anything!

    But it does nothing.

    “Yes, God has intervened dramatically in the past.”

    When?

    “Men committed all sorts of atrocities for many thousands of years before God decided to send the flood. ”

    So this gods perfect solution was genocide? Not just of human infants and adults, but of pretty much all the wildlife on Earth.

    What evidence do you have for a great flood anyways? It’s scientifically impossible and no record of it exists.

    “Nobody wants to live in a world without God, any more than a child wants to grow up without parents. The problem is, you want a god you can control, who fits your idea of niceness and who won’t make you do what you don’t want to do. ”

    No. I’d want a god that makes sense and can provide evidence. I’d want one that isn’t contradictory.

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    • Warning GC, if you’re going to do this your thing of copying and addressing things point by point, you need to be careful to not overlook the answers I’ve already given, in your attempt to scatter my argument.

      Now, to do as they do in Rome, so to speak, I’ll copy and respond to your comment line by line…
      Quote from me
      “Jesus came for a higher purpose than to make this world a more cosy place for everyone. He came to save the world spiritually!”
      Your response
      Why not do both? He has unlimited power, right?
      My feedback
      I already answered why He chooses not to intervene in my post. Care to read again?
      Quote from me
      “The enemy succeeded in deceiving Eve and Adam, so that they became corrupt and could not abide in the Garden and live in that perfect world.”
      Your response
      Do you believe in the literal Adam and Eve?
      My feedback
      Yes I do! Do you believe you descended from apes? As a follow up question, if we’re still evolving… have you developed any weird traits that might help scientist figure out whether we are going to turn into rats or cockroaches? Apparently, only cockroaches will survive a nuclear blast…and it seems there might be one any day soon.
      Quote from me
      “God didn’t see Satan’s attack as a defeat, but as a challenge…an opportunity to teach, groom, and lead us to know and love righteousness.”
      Your response
      The opportunity to condemn people who weren’t even born yet? Doesn’t that sound a tad bit crazy to you?
      My feedback
      No it doesn’t sound crazy to me. Then again, the Lord has given me a portion of His Spirit, so that I can think like Him and understand Him in a way you can’t. If I may, in His position, I might have discarded the whole idea, and decided I didn’t want a human world after all, since they are so easily corrupted. Aren’t you glad I’m not God?
      Quote from me
      “God already gave us a chance for a perfect world, without sickness, sin, death and poverty!”
      Your response
      No he didn’t. According to your religion, he gave Adam and Eve that chance. I certainly had no power over their actions. Did you?
      My feedback
      Some choices are made for us by our parents unfortunately. Like the mother who takes drugs while she’s pregnant! Is it a wonder that her child will have problems, if he will even be born??? It’s just something that is inherited. But the good news is, God provided a way out through Christ. You really should reconsider 🙂
      Quote from me
      “Asking why God doesn’t feed all the starving children is equivalent to asking why God doesn’t make everyone believe in Him! You may disagree, but really, what’s the difference?”
      Your response
      There’s a big difference between painfully starving to death and not believing.
      My feedback
      There’s no difference! A logically mind like yours could have figured that out. I also explained in my post why there’s no difference. God can do anything, and He can make you believe. If He made everyone on Earth believers and good, do you really think we would still have crime, poverty and all the problems brought about by our wickedness? Obviously not. So that’s another way of fixing everything. But God has chosen a different way…which my post addressed.
      Quote from me
      “If God really wanted to, He could snap His fingers and make the world perfect once again.”
      Your response
      And yet he doesn’t. These words sound like every other religion as well.
      He could! He has the power! He can do anything!
      But it does nothing.
      My feedback
      You are starting to sound a little desparate and confused to me. You are intellectually sound enough to see why God has chosen not to do anything. Your issue now is that His decision is wrong. The type of god you want is a god worshiped by robots. God gives us our free will, because He values our choice. Would you rather be a robot?
      Quote from me
      “Yes, God has intervened dramatically in the past.”
      Your response
      When?
      My feedback
      READ MY POST AGAIN
      Quote from me
      “Men committed all sorts of atrocities for many thousands of years before God decided to send the flood. ”
      Your response
      So this gods perfect solution was genocide? Not just of human infants and adults, but of pretty much all the wildlife on Earth.
      What evidence do you have for a great flood anyways? It’s scientifically impossible and no record of it exists.
      My feedback
      I had to laugh! No record of the great flood that wiped out the whole world and left eight humans alive… Hmmmm…. I wonder why there’s no record? Oh, but of course, the Bible writes about it. And He wiped the slate clean with a flood…in my opinion, He was very patient! When there’s a infestation of evil, the best thing to do is to destroy and rebuild.
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      “Nobody wants to live in a world without God, any more than a child wants to grow up without parents. The problem is, you want a god you can control, who fits your idea of niceness and who won’t make you do what you don’t want to do. ”
      Your response
      No. I’d want a god that makes sense and can provide evidence. I’d want one that isn’t contradictory.
      Ok. At last you admit that you want a god. Battle is half won. Now, the thing about gods is that they are supreme bosses who don’t answer to their subjects… But, you should be glad, this Boss is the Best!

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      • “I already answered why He chooses not to intervene in my post. Care to read again?”

        Dodge.

        “Yes I do! Do you believe you descended from apes? ”

        I believe we share a common ancestor. I believe in evolution.

        “No it doesn’t sound crazy to me. Then again, the Lord has given me a portion of His Spirit, so that I can think like Him and understand Him in a way you can’t.”

        Okay. I guess punishing people who haven’t been born yet for the acts of those who are alive is perfectly sane in your eyes.

        Let’s hope our judicial system doesn’t take that view…ever.

        “Some choices are made for us by our parents unfortunately. Like the mother who takes drugs while she’s pregnant! Is it a wonder that her child will have problems, if he will even be born??? It’s just something that is inherited.”

        You see no difference between a mistake or action made by a human and one made by a powerful deity?

        But again, you said God gave us this chance. He clearly did not, according to your own theology. Wiggling doesn’t change that. He would have given Adam and Eve the chance many, many generations ago. Do you also think the mothers drug problem would harm children 100’s of generations down the road?

        “But the good news is, God provided a way out through Christ. You really should reconsider :)”

        I always reconsider. I just find your explanations and your god unconvincing.

        “There’s no difference! A logically mind like yours could have figured that out.”

        There’s a big difference. I don’t believe right now and I’m fine. If you ask a starving person if they’re fine, they’ll answer you ‘no’ quite emphatically. If you don’t see the difference between painfully starving to death and not believing in your particular god, I don’t know what else to say.

        “You are starting to sound a little desparate and confused to me.”

        Thanks but I’m neither. This made me smile though.

        “You are intellectually sound enough to see why God has chosen not to do anything.”

        I’ll take ‘because he doesn’t exist’ for $200 Alex!

        “Your issue now is that His decision is wrong. The type of god you want is a god worshiped by robots.”

        *Buzzer sound and GC hangs his head*

        Not sure how we went from god doing something to needing to be robots for this deity to act. That’s a strange argument for you to make.

        “I had to laugh! No record of the great flood that wiped out the whole world and left eight humans alive… Hmmmm…. I wonder why there’s no record?”

        Scientific record. Floods leave geological evidence behind, among other things. A flood the size of the one described in the bible would leave evidence everywhere.

        “When there’s a infestation of evil, the best thing to do is to destroy and rebuild.”

        Your ability to explain away genocide using religion shows me yet again, why I find dogma to be so very dangerous.

        “Ok. At last you admit that you want a god. Battle is half won.”

        I don’t know if I’d ‘want’ a god, but if I saw convincing evidence that one existed I would acknowledge its existence.

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        • So, still playing that game…
          Quote from me
          “I already answered why He chooses not to intervene in my post. Care to read again?”
          Your response
          Dodge.
          My feedback
          Time waster!
          Quote from me
          “Yes I do! Do you believe you descended from apes? ”
          Your response
          I believe we share a common ancestor. I believe in evolution.
          My feedback
          What is the basis of that belief? Who is this common ancestor? Mind you, you didn’t answer my question about if you’re evolving into a rat? Care to answer?
          Quote from me
          “No it doesn’t sound crazy to me. Then again, the Lord has given me a portion of His Spirit, so that I can think like Him and understand Him in a way you can’t.”
          Your response
          Okay. I guess punishing people who haven’t been born yet for the acts of those who are alive is perfectly sane in your eyes.
          Let’s hope our judicial system doesn’t take that view…ever.
          My feedback
          It isn’t punishing people, so much as the fact that your ancestors left you a very bad legacy! If you refuse to save and squander all your wealth, your children will likely be homeless. They shouldn’t blame God.
          Quote from me
          “Some choices are made for us by our parents unfortunately. Like the mother who takes drugs while she’s pregnant! Is it a wonder that her child will have problems, if he will even be born??? It’s just something that is inherited.”
          Your response
          You see no difference between a mistake or action made by a human and one made by a powerful deity?
          My feedback
          You’re the one choosing to judge Him by your standards… I’m just replying in a way that you would understand.
          You continue…
          But again, you said God gave us this chance. He clearly did not, according to your own theology. Wiggling doesn’t change that. He would have given Adam and Eve the chance many, many generations ago. Do you also think the mothers drug problem would harm children 100’s of generations down the road?
          My feedback
          Again… Time waster. I’ve already answered your question. I have to use finite things to explain God to you, since you cannot understand His infinite qualities.
          Quote from me
          “But the good news is, God provided a way out through Christ. You really should reconsider :)”
          Your response
          I always reconsider. I just find your explanations and your god unconvincing.
          My feedback
          You always reconsider… I think I’m talking to a rebellious believer, and not an atheist!
          Quote from me
          “There’s no difference! A logically mind like yours could have figured that out.”
          Your response
          There’s a big difference. I don’t believe right now and I’m fine. If you ask a starving person if they’re fine, they’ll answer you ‘no’ quite emphatically. If you don’t see the difference between painfully starving to death and not believing in your particular god, I don’t know what else to say.
          My feedback
          If you read my response and came back with that statement, I’m also at a loss for words! Clearly, I overestimated your intelligence!
          Quote from me
          “You are starting to sound a little desparate and confused to me.”
          Your response
          Thanks but I’m neither. This made me smile though.
          My feedback
          Ummmm….
          Quote from me
          “You are intellectually sound enough to see why God has chosen not to do anything.”
          Your response
          I’ll take ‘because he doesn’t exist’ for $200 Alex!
          My feedback
          Huh???
          Quote from me
          “Your issue now is that His decision is wrong. The type of god you want is a god worshiped by robots.”
          Your response
          *Buzzer sound and GC hangs his head*
          Not sure how we went from god doing something to needing to be robots for this deity to act. That’s a strange argument for you to make.
          My feedback
          Dodge!
          Quote from me
          “I had to laugh! No record of the great flood that wiped out the whole world and left eight humans alive… Hmmmm…. I wonder why there’s no record?”
          Your response
          Scientific record. Floods leave geological evidence behind, among other things. A flood the size of the one described in the bible would leave evidence everywhere.
          My feedback
          I’d recommend you get more scientist on the job!
          Quote from me
          “When there’s a infestation of evil, the best thing to do is to destroy and rebuild.”
          Your response
          Your ability to explain away genocide using religion shows me yet again, why I find dogma to be so very dangerous.
          My feedback
          You know, maybe you should run for the office of God sometime!
          Quote from me
          “Ok. At last you admit that you want a god. Battle is half won.”
          Your response
          I don’t know if I’d ‘want’ a god, but if I saw convincing evidence that one existed I would acknowledge its existence.
          My feedback
          Back tracking…

          Final analyse. I think we have an undecided, rebellious believer/atheist. Please, before you waste my time with another round of this… decide through faith – the same faith you used to accept that you descended from apes, and that the whole world came from some gases in an explosion – whether or not there is a God. Then stick to whatever you decide. You don’t need to play around with God. He is not a baby god that can be manipulated.

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          • “What is the basis of that belief? Who is this common ancestor?”

            Science.

            http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

            “Mind you, you didn’t answer my question about if you’re evolving into a rat?”

            See link above. If you understood evolution, you wouldn’t have to ask such a silly question.

            “It isn’t punishing people, so much as the fact that your ancestors left you a very bad legacy!”

            That…God…put into place.

            “You’re the one choosing to judge Him by your standards… I’m just replying in a way that you would understand.”

            Because you have no real answer.

            “Again… Time waster. I’ve already answered your question. I have to use finite things to explain God to you, since you cannot understand His infinite qualities.”

            No you didn’t. And if you can understand them, then I can.

            “You always reconsider… I think I’m talking to a rebellious believer, and not an atheist!”

            You’d be wrong!

            It just means I consider other people’s arguments.

            “If you read my response and came back with that statement, I’m also at a loss for words! Clearly, I overestimated your intelligence!”

            Your first response didn’t make any sense and your second one is even worse.

            “I’ll take ‘because he doesn’t exist’ for $200 Alex!
            My feedback
            Huh???”

            Jeopardy!!!!! You’ve never seen that show?

            “I’d recommend you get more scientist on the job!”

            The evidence from such a huge flood would be everywhere. It’s not the number of scientists. It’s that the flood didn’t happen.

            “You know, maybe you should run for the office of God sometime!”

            Nice dodge.

            “Final analyse. I think we have an undecided, rebellious believer/atheist. Please, before you waste my time with another round of this… decide through faith”

            No. Just an atheist.

            “Then stick to whatever you decide.”

            No. It’s not a game of chicken. I’ll evaluate the evidence and the arguments as they come, thanks.

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          • I said I won’t entertain any more of your time wasting…and your last comment just showed me why I was right!!! Unbelievable.

            You actually wrote:
            If you understood evolution, you wouldn’t have to ask such a silly question.

            Well, if you knew anything about Christianity, you wouldn’t make such ridiculous assertions and ask such unnecessary questions! You can dish out the inquiry, but you can’t take a little speculation.

            It’s alright… Got lots to do. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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          • I provided you with a link to read. I answered your question.

            You’re welcome.

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          • That’s rubbish. If I provided you with a link, you’d discard it and use it to claim I have no understanding. I don’t need your links and I don’t need your explanations.

            You ask me a lot of questions to give the impression that you care to learn when you don’t. I don’t care to learn about evolution either. And yes, I do know enough to know that it’s a theory only real apes will believe!

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          • “That’s rubbish. If I provided you with a link, you’d discard it”

            No, I’d read it. I understand your fear though.

            “You ask me a lot of questions to give the impression that you care to learn when you don’t.”

            I’m always open to learn. You just don’t seem to have much to teach in this area.

            “I don’t care to learn about evolution either. And yes, I do know enough to know that it’s a theory only real apes will believe! ”

            You seem very angry.

            I hope you’ll take a few hours and read about the scientific theory of evolution.

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  4. Reblogged this on Talmidimblogging and commented:
    Excellent response post!

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  5. Something that always amazes me, why don’t we ever ask, how come humans don’t feed all the starving children? We live on a planet with abundant resources and enough food for all. So how come some children still go hungry?

    One problem is that people don’t like to look at the nature of human depravity and some of the horrors we are capable of creating and inflicting on each other. The conditions that create starvation are totally man made, but we never just say, “sheesh people can be outright evil,” instead we demand to know why God allows these things to happen. Some people then go on to try to argue that God must be evil for allowing it, for not protecting people from the full horror of the consequences of our own actions. Then they will attempt to judge God, as if to say, I would never follow such a God. Hidden behind that however, is an unwillingness to look at the truth of human nature and to realize that we are hardly even worthy to judge our own morality, let alone God’s.

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  6. Love the post James. Have a blessed rest of the week. 🙂

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  7. Why are we even arguing about this? All I’m seeing here are a bunch of bloggers who, instead of complaining about how this messed up world works, could be going out there and feeding the starved themselves. I mean honestly, are the topics in this comment section going to help any starving people? So please, get out there, wether Christian or Atheist, and help some starving people. Sorry if I sound upset, I’m really frustrated right now.

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    • Thanks Ryan… that’s really the issue. Why people pass the buck and blame God is because they don’t really want to be inconvenienced or burdened by helping the poor. It’s not really something a Christian will ask because we know that it’s one of the things God gave us to do, the same as replenish the Earth and have dominion over it.

      Notice no one tried to refute my statement that most charities are Christian!

      Anyway, thanks for refocusing the real issue at hand. There are kids starving and we MUST do something!

      Cheers, Ufuoma.

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  8. Hi Ufuoma,
    First time I landed on your page and I must say…I am so glad that you stand firm in your beliefs of our God.
    We live by faith and not by what we see – those who does not believe in God does not understand what this means. We are human and God’s plan is above human understanding. As Christians it does not really help us to try and argue with those who does not believe because we are led by the Holy Spirit who comforts us in knowing that when the time comes the plan will be revealed. Jesus Christ lives within those who have accepted Him and as humans we should strive to be like Him and help those in need. When I speak with someone who does not believe in God, I merely tell them the good news, tell them what my God has done for me and move on. It is their choice (like the choice God gave us, choose life or death) to repent or to carry on with their ungodliness.

    Stay blessed!

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    • Thanks Michelle! I am glad you found my blog and to know that you’re a sister in Christ too. Thanks for contributing your thoughts too. I try not to argue, but I’m eager to address the issues that cause many to stumble.

      Have a lovely evening! Cheers, Ufuoma.

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  9. Here you go! Apologies for the delay as I’ve been working a lot of hours this week. Peace! https://nancydrewpi.wordpress.com/2015/08/16/a-response-to-a-response-to-a-response-oh-my/

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